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Parents and teachers need to understand all aspects of the evaluation process in order to make decisions that will positively benefit a student being considered for services under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). IDEA contains very specific requirements for a student evaluation and the results will be used to make important decisions about the student's future.

Join Dr. Blanche Podhajski helps parents and teachers unravel and understand the important questions about the evaluation process such as timing, what the proposed tests measure and what the outcomes mean when a comprehensive evaluation is conducted.

Georgia Fitzhugh:
Are there particular diagnostic tests which are particularly important diagnostically and which you recommend in a standard battery of tests for learning disability?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

Good evaluations should be individualized and based upon the referral question. In general, comprehensive diagnostic assessments for learning disabilities should look at cognitive, linguistic, academic and attentional/behavioral functioning. Within each of these areas, there are excellent tests to pinpoint how the student performs and identify specific strengths and needs. Good evaluations should drive instruction.

For a helpful article, see: Understanding the Results of Psychoeducational Testing

 

Katherine Andrews:
My son's evaluation noted that he was dyslexic as well as had a reading and writing disorder. My son's public school told me that the Board doesn't recogize Dyslexia as a diability. How should I approach this?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:
Dyslexia is a specific kind of learning disability. If school personnel have made your son eligible for special education in the area of reading and writing, that is fine provided the instruction being delivered is systematic, direct and explicit in the areas identified by research as key to reading success: phonemic awareness, phonics, fluency, vocabulary and comprehension. Among dyslexic students, the first three are usually most in need of intervention and application across the curriuculum.
Karen Larsen:
My daughter did not meet eligibility requirements for LD because she hasn't completed all the RTI (interventions).The school states she has to complete the dsylexia intervention before we can look into special ed. I want her re-tested next year so that we can make sure we have not missed anything. Are there certain tests we should ask for?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:
One of the key elements of RtI is regular progress monitoring. Depending on what reading/spelling skills the dyslexia intervention is targeting - for example, decoding/encoding and fluency - you should be shown how your daughter has responded to that intervention on tests which specifically measure those skills. For more information on progress monitoring, please see the RTI Action Network.
Cynthia Johnson:
Dr. Podhajski,
I am new to the field of learning disorders in children. The Stern Center for Language and Learning sounds like a wonderful place. Do you know if there is a similar center in Colorado?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

Thank you. We at the Stern Center are very proud to be able to serve all kinds of learners, offer professional development to educators and conduct research.

One way to find out about resources in your area is to check out the Resource Locator on the NCLD Web site. There is a program in a neighboring state that works collaboratively with the Stern Center: the Lee David Pesky Learning Center in Boise, Idaho. Perhaps you could visit them. We would also welcome you to Vermont at any time - please put yourself on our mailing list at the Stern Center Web site.

Karen Beatty:
IDEA 2004 has provided us with an alternative way to identify learning disabilities. So this is my question, Is the ability-achievement discrepancy model for identifying LD obsolete, or is it still being used?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

One of the recommendations made by the Learning Disabilties Roundtable in 2004 was that the ability-achievement discrepancy model not be used for determining eligibility. They further recommended that regular education assume active responsibility for delivery of high-quality instruction, research-based interventions, and prompt identification of individuals at risk while collaborating with special education and related services personnel.

Response to Internvetion (RTI) is a comprehensive mult-tiered delivery model that helps differentiate between "curriculum casualties" - children who do not have learning disabilities but have not learned to read because of ineffective instruction - and those who have learning disabilities that are neurologically based and intrinsic to the individual. As you know, with the reauthorization of IDEA in 2004, schools were given the option to use RTI or a discrepancy model so both are still currently in use. Check with your school disrict and state department of education on RTI efforts. For more information on RTI, visit the RTI Action Network  or view NCLD's Parent Advocacy Guide on RTI

Madeline McDougal:
Students are often referred to the Committe for Special Education for initial referrals in my school. How extensive should the evaluations be. Unfortunately, because of time constraints, the educational component is often based on the results of the WIAT-11, plus teacher observations, informal observations, along with a psychological, social history, and sometimes language evaluation.
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:
You bring up one of the biggest concerns about testing. One of the most important things to remember is that eligibility determination and diagnosis of a learning disorder are NOT the same. Because of time constraints, evaluations are often done by different people - the special educator, psychologist, speech language pathologist - who then present standard scores that are compared across separate reports without attention to the total picture and the intersections among data. This is one of the biggest concerns about the discrepancy model. Merely subtracting 1 or 1.5 standard deviations of scores between ability and academic performance in a particularly area may determine whether the child is eligible for special education but will not necessarily identify the cause of the learning problem nor drive instruction.

When it comes to evaluations, there is no substitute for clinical judgment based on a solid understanding of what we have learned through research over the past several decades. A good clinician will be able to analyze performance patterns on tests across cognitive, linguistic, social emotional and academic domains so that the child is not overtested unnecessarily but, at the same time, so that important subskills are not overlooked. For example, if a child has a decoding problem, it is not sufficient to merely assess word identification. Phonemic awareness,rapid automatic naming, reading words that are both phonetic and sight based, spelling and text reading should also be examined to see if there are deficits in these areas that have implications for instruction.

NCLD has an IDEA Guide for parents that includes a chapter on evaluation. One specific resource that may be helpful is: Questions to Ask About Evaluation Plans.
jen m:
Do you think a private neuropsycholigical or psycho educational evaluation is a a better way of gaining insight to the unique learning aspects of a child?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

It is not WHERE the evaluation takes place that is as important as WHO does WHAT and WHY the evaluation is needed. For example, if the referral question relates to why the child is not responding to a particular kind of reading intervention and what is the best way to teach her, not all neuropsychologists may be familiar with the subtleties of different kinds of research based reading instruction. Some neuropsychologists may have this kind of knowledge.

Usually, a neuropsychological evaluation is helpful when more in depth understanding of brain behavior relationships is desired. For example, are there underlying problems with memory and attention or are there significant medical or developmental history questions related to prematurity, traumatic brain injury or a seizure disorder.

A good neuropsychologist can help direct students how to learn using their strengths but not necessarily using a specific educational curriculum. It really depends on the training and skills of the evaluator combined with the reasons and needs for the evaluation.

Carrie M. Jones:
How do we assess comprehension?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

What a huge but wonderful question! One of my professional pet peeves is that all too often reading comprehension is assessed in isolation. That you did not qualify "comprehension" suggests that you may be thinking of it in a bigger picture context as it should be even when the presenting problem is not being able to understand what you read. To begin, reading comprehension AND listening comprehension need to assessed and compared.

If Child A is weak understanding what he reads but strong understanding what he hears, that is very different from Child B who is experiencing difficulties across both reading and listening comprehension. Child A may have a problem accessing print (decoding fluently) and thus cannot understand the meaning of text. Reading fluency should be assessed. Child B may have a generalized language disorder that affects the comprehension of both spoken and written language. A complete language assessment should be conducted. One also needs to assess the child's thinking skills, vocabulary, memory and attention since these may impact comprehension. Finally, and particularly with older students, it is important to know what the student's background knowledge is as well as how effective she is at using strategies to facilitate the process of extracting meaning from what she hears or reads.

Georgia Fitzhugh:
LD evaluations used to require a discrepancy between IQ score and achievement scores. This is not required now.What are the advantages and disadvantages of that change?
It seems that in public school just about every low-achieving student is now labeled learning disabled, whether or not there are other factors which are affecting the child's achievement. This also means that evaluations may not necessarily pinpoint any diagnosis which can really be useful in planning remediation. What do you think?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

Your question is the reason we are experiencing such a sea change in how we identify students with learning disabilities, while, at the same time, improve reading instruction for all children. When 38% of fourth grade children are reading below the basic reading level (National Center for Educational Statistics, 1998), we know that not all of those children have learning disabilities.

RTI is an effort to help general education provide effective instruction in the regular classroom and at increasingly intensive levels of intervention so that youngsters do not fall through the cracks and to increase the accuracy of identifying those with true learning disabilities. Always remember, too, that eligibility determination is not synonymous with diagnosis.

NCLD has an RTI Action Network designed to help address specific questions about how this change translates to practice. Check it out!

Joanne Boucher:
Currently, I service many students with LLD. Have you found any evaluations that assess higher level thinking? Are there students with LLD who exhibit deficits only in this area, with minor deficits in other areas, such as semantics or processing texts?

Criteria in our district do not provide for services for individuals with deficits in higher level thinking, only if the student demonstrates a "significant" disability in language (usual assessments given: CELF, OWLS, TOLD, TAPS, WORD). Many of my students (who I qualify) are being considered ineligible because of test scores, but their performance in the academic setting is well below par (with many failing). There is also a developing pattern to dismiss students by 5th grade saying they will always be that way and there is not much more we can do to have a signifcant impact. Your thoughts? Thank you.
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

Thank YOU for thinking outside the box on behalf of our students, not giving up on them and NOT being limited by scores. Absolutely we have learners who do not experience difficulties until language becomes more abstract or requires more mental manipulation.

I also do not find our language tests to be sufficiently refined to help us help these students. To begin, I would suggest that you demonstrate whether the higher order thinking skills affected are only verbal. If WISC-III nonverbal subtests such as Block Design and Matrix Reasoning are strong, the problem is not a generalized thinking problem but one specific to language and for which intervention is critical. We see many medical students at the Stern Center who have managed by virtue of their outstanding intelligence to get by through college, but hit the wall when they cannot manage all the verbal information they have to flexibly deal with in med school. I like to do diagnostic teaching with these learners to see how they categorize and classify verbal information. If nonverbal skills are strong, software programs such as Inspiration can be of help to them. If the thinking skills occur across both verbal and nonverbal domains, you are dealing with a different kind of learner.

You might also want to look at the BRIEF, the Behavior Rating Inventory of Executive Function. It consists of observations completed by parents and teachers that can help tease out behaviors suggestive of thinking skill differences.

Marlene Rappaport:
Many of our preschoolers (that began receiving services prior to age 3)are labeled "Developmentally Delayed." When children move into Kindergarten (prior to 6th birthday) we can no longer use Developmental Delay as their primary disability. If they no longer require speech and language therapy yet continue to have difficulties learning, what would we need to evaluate and document to move to an LD label?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

The Comprehensive Test of Phonological Processing (CTOPP) is a great tool to help identify potential reading problems. It can also help plan educational interventions. The Test of Early Reading Ability (TERA-3), Test of Early Mathematics Abilities (TEMA-3)and the Test of Early Writing Skills (TEWS-2), all available from Pro-Ed, Inc. are also appropriate for that age.

Additional Resource: Terms Used in Individual Standardized Tests

Jackie Scott:
What are some of the key indicators to diagnosing a learning disability? Does flat affect and intonation coupled with weaker reasoning, avoidance of reading (despite being able to read) help you understand how to diagnose a student?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

In addition to an unexplained disparity between intelligence and performance on academic tasks such as reading despite good instruction, there are core cognitive processes that may contribute to learning disabilities and which need to be assessed. These include phonological awareness and rapid automatic naming.

Some of the behaviors you describe may be more suggestive of difficulties with social language and understanding - I would recommend further examination of pragmatics and social skills.

Brenda Beebe:
Can the WJ-III and the WIAT be compared in any way to show progress or regression?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

As you probably already know, it is easier to use alternate forms of the same instrument than different tests to measure progress. While both are good instruments, it is the apples v. oranges dilemma. For example, reading comprehension on the WJ-III is assessed using a cloze procedure while on the WIAT it is measured by having the child answer questions after reading connected language. A comparison across these would not tell you much.

I could not find any correlations between the WIAT and the WJ-III. While both may assess "math problem solving" - which offers greater similarity across measures than "reading comprehension" - the specific constructs being measured remain different.

lidice martinez:
I want to know if getting an evaluation affects the student in the future -- if they want to get into a good school or get a scholarship?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

Getting an evaluation would not interfere. It could help illuminate strengths and needs for the student interested in pursuing higher education and help prepare him for the experience.

Should the student be identified with a learning disability following evaluation, it would be up to him whether or not to declare that information on a college or scholarship application. While it would be illegal to discriminate against a student on that basis, not all students elect to declare. It is best to find out from particular colleges being considered what their practices are for students with learning disabilities, what services they offer and how best to advocate in one's own behalf.

Jayashree C Shanbal:
How do you explain to the parents of children with LD, about the effect of bilingualism in such children with LD and how do you go about with the assessment for bilingualism in them?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

In terms of assessment, it is important to get a good developmental history for oral and written language in both the child's primary language and English. Were both delayed? I also like to compare vocabulary understanding and usage as well as reading comprehension and writing across both languages. Caution should be taken to assure that intelligence testing is not culturally or linguistically biased.

Given that learning disabilities are neurologically based, I explain to parents that they evident across different languages but are not the result of bilingualism.

K. Crouse:
If I see,"Teacher's observation of specific skills" listed on my daughters IEP one more time I swear I'll scream! How can I get more measurable goals listed such as testing rather than this comment?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

With the advent of RTI, we all should be applying the scientific method to the problem solving process. That is what you are asking your child's teacher to do. Explain to school personnel that you are interested in instructional decisions based on data. Informed decisions can't be made without them.

Often, school personnel may not do this because they don't know how. Request data charts that show progress over time. Progress monitoring should include routine ssessment (weekly, monthly or quarterly) using comparable and multiple test forms. If adequate progress is not demonstrated, a different kind of intervention may be needed. If the school do not have staff who feel comfortable with this kind of assessment, suggest independent monitoring by a trained consultant to build capacity.

Additional Resource: RTI Action Network Web site.

Cali Nichols:
What is the best way to evaluate writing skills. It seems like such a subjective process the way my school does it now with just counting the number of words written and whether there is punctuation. Now, if my child just writes more words on a page than he did in first grade then he is "progressing".
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

I always say that writing is the last bastion to be conquered on the language continuum. It is very complex. And you are correct that our instruments to measure written language are limited. Thus, people often rely on subjective processes.

I suggest that assessment include both evaluation of the "mechanics" of handwriting, capitalization/punctuation, and spelling as well as formulation, including vocabulary, syntax and idea organization. Because most of our tests measure narrative writing, it is also important to evaluate expository writing. I recommend use of the WIAT-II.

Kim McClain:
In what instances is an Independent Educational Evaluation helpful? Can the District refuse it?
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

An Independent Educational Evaluation can be a very helpful tool for both parents and schools, particularly when parents disagree with the conclusion of the initial evaluation.  An Independent Evaluation can offer a different opinion or concur with the original conclusion. Either outcome offers the child the opportunity for the best diagnosis and intervention.

Additional Resource: NCLD's IDEA Parent Guide, Chapter 5: Evaluation Learning More About Your Child

Genie Taylor:
What if re-evaluation and transitional meetings are not discussed in high school? This is a big deal for those students who met the criteria and are able to go on to higher learning.
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:
This would be a time when seeking a private evaluation would be worthwhile. Many programs like the Stern Center have scholarship dollars available to help underwrite costs for eligible families. You are absolutely correct - it is important for students be as prepared as possible for success beyond high school.
Jenness:
What would account for a dramatic (1.5 standard deviation) drop in full scale IQ measured three years apart? The child in question is elementary school age and had nothing traumatic happen between testings.
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:

The first questions I would ask would be whether the measure and evaluator were the same. Often a shift between different Wechsler scales or examiners can be influential. I would also want to know how the factor scores shifted if the Wechsler were used.

Sometimes Verbal IQ can be impacted by severe language or reading disabilities if the child is not able to acquire information or gain vocabulary through listening and reading.

Vivian Manganaro:
My child has been diagnosed with a Language Disorder. Is this also considered a Learning Disability that the school needs to address? My school's evaluator left out the discrepancy comparison from the CELF-4 that would have determined the Language Disorder.
Blanche Podhajski Ph.D.:
It would have been helpful to know the discrepancy between your child's ability scores and language score as well as his/her age. Usually, language disorders manifest as learning disabilities in listening comprehension and oral expression if thinking skills are significantly stronger.

Because reading and writing are also language skills, over time a language disorder might also present as a learning disability in reading comprehension or written expression. If the language disorder also includes a deficit in phonological processing/articulation, basic decoding and encoding (basic reading skills and spelling) will also be impacted.

Today's live Talk has concluded. Thank you to Dr. Blanche Podhajski for her thoughtful answers and to the participants for their questions.

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Stan Deno

Progress measures have become a central component of the RTI approach. Contemporary assessment has shifted focus from describing differences between students to measuring their progress toward important educational outcomes.

Curriculum-based measurement procedures are used to monitor basic skills growth, to identify students at risk of learning difficulty, to evaluate efforts to prevent and remediate low achievement, and to aid in making instructional decisions to accelerate learning.

Join our expert, Stanley Deno, Ph.D., best known for his research leading to the development of Curriculum-Based Measurement (CBM) progress monitoring procedures and their use in the Response to Intervention (RTI) model, as he answers your questions on CBM.

 


Linda Adams:
We utilize our own Child Success Team meetings in our preschool programs. How can we best ensure we are incorporating RTI strategies?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

My general view is that your Child Success Teams are the key element in using progress monitoring data to determine whether intervention is required, what level of intervention is required, and whether the intervention has been effective in improving children's rates of growth.

However, I think this is a question better answered by others at the NCLD. Their article on RTINetwork.org titled "A Model for RTI in Pre-K"  provides an overview of how the core principles of RTI relate to core early childhood beliefs and practices.

Justyn Poulos:
Many in our district want to use Running Records as a form of progress monitoring. What are the concerns with this method?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:
Running records can be a useful adjunct to progress monitoring. They serve, primarily, to provide diagnostic information that helps to develop hunches about the kinds of skills that students might need to learn to become better readers. The progress monitoring data are then used to evaluate whether those hunches derived from running records are correct. You might think of running records as helping to decide about instructional "inputs" and CBM progress measurement as the instructional "output." Running records don't actually function as well to show growth in generalized reading proficiency.
Larry Hartzell:
Where does a school start in the selection of a CBM?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

I would start at the National Center on Student Progress Monitoring. They have an excellent web site and can direct you to various resources for getting you CBM progress monitoring system up and running. In particular, they have an introductory article "Getting Started: How do I Implement Progress Monitoring in My School," by Kathleen McLane.

In addition, Dr. Lynn Fuchs has an article, Progress Monitoring Within a Multi-Level Prevention System on RTINetwork.org that provides a quick overview of progress monitoring and describes how progress monitoring is used within a multi-level prevention system. A companion piece to this article details validated forms of progress monitoring in both reading and mathematics.

Kathy:
My child is in the fifth grade and his reading level is at second grade. He is currently using a program called "Read Naturally". What progress monitoring assessments should we request to have in place for him?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

"Read Naturally" has its own progress monitoring system that is based on the Curriculum-based Measurement (CBM) approach. You should be able to use that system to evaluate the success of "Read Naturally."

If you would prefer that your child's growth be measured independently from Read Naturally, I would recommend you ask your child's school to use one of the progress monitoring approaches approved by the National Center on Student Progress Monitoring.

Anita Leshner:
In addition to the current emphasis on CBM progress monitoring and use of RTI, what pedagogical strategies do you suggest that are different from past efforts to help children learn reading and writing who failed to acquire the basic skills?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

I wish I could answer your question in such a way as to assure you that we know the answer. I don't think we do. RTI provides a great framework for schools to use in organizing to prevent and remediate academic problems. CBM provides a good basis for evaluating whether modifications in instruction are producing better rates of growth. I believe there is fairly good evidence that students most at risk of reading difficulty do best when provided intense, explicit and systematic instruction.

I also believe that for the small percentage of students who do not learn basic skills in reading and writing even with such instruction that the best approach is individually managed instruction (usually tutoring) by a master teacher who is very resourceful in developing alternative, customized programs that meet the needs of individual students. In such an arrangement, the CBM data become an essential tool for that teacher to determine the success of his or her efforts to teach a child.

I like to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln when it comes to infallible instructional programs:

"A program might work with all of the students for a short time, or a program might with some of the students for a long time, but no instructional program is likely to work with all of the students all of the time."

Priya M. B.:
How does CBM account for processing deficits and also fine motor deficits in children with learning disabilities? How are these monitored?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

The assumption on which CBM is based is that development of basic skills is the result of the interaction between the type of learning opportunities a child has and the psychological and physical characteristics of the child. If a child has processing problems and those problems can be addressed through instruction, then the child's growth in basic skills should increase.

CBM is designed to show whether students are developing basic skills, not to monitor changes in a student's psychological and physical characteristics. Speculation regarding a student's psychological processing characteristics can provide hunches about how to teach a student. The CBM data should help to determine whether the hunches derived from those speculations have led to developing a more effective instructional program.

Susan Lewis:
Which CBMs are most generally accepted in school districts across the country? What would you suggest that professionals who are currently working in a non-public school setting use in order to collaborate with public school districts as part of the problem-solving process to access potential special services for students with whom they work?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:
I would not recommend using the degree of "acceptance" by school districts as the basis for making your choices. School districts have become involved in using particular approaches to progress monitoring that have very little to do with their technical adequacy as progress measures. I would say, however, that collaboration with a particular public school system is likely to be enhanced if you use the same progress monitoring measures as are used in that school system. That way, collaborative problem-solving around student progress data should be facilitated. I recommend you go to the web site of the National Center on Student Progress monitoring to their summary chart of tools(http://www.studentprogress.org/chart/chart.asp). I encourage you to contact them, as well, to get the help you need to get started.
Alecia:
Goal setting is so important: (a) Because there are pros and cons to each method, how do we decide which method is best for setting a goal (e.g., benchmarks, growth rates , intra-individual framework, local norms) and (b) for kids receiving intervention, should we be setting short-term (quarterly, next benchmark period) or long-term (end-of-year) goals? Thank you.
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

I'm partial to using growth rates for setting goals for students who have been identified as at risk for academic failure or those already receiving special education. Any other approach tends to result in setting goals that exceed the reach of the teacher and the child. Benchmarks based on norms are appropriate, I think, for the general population of students making adequate progress and for universal screening.

When using growth rates to set goals, one should also incorporated a systematic strategy for revising goals upward should the student's progress rate indicate that a higher goal can be attained. Using the original CBM formative evaluation model involves setting year end goals and a goal line connecting the beginning level of performance with the year end goal. The slope of that line enables identification desired level of performance at any time during the year (weekly, monthly, quarterly, etc.)

Peggy Johnson:
Can DIBELS and AIMSweb be mixed to Progress Monitor children or should DIBELS be used as one tool and AIMSweb as another tool. There seems to be confusion about how schools use both tools. How would both tools be used effectively and systematically in a school system?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

If you go to the Web site of the National Center for Student Progress Monitoring  you will find a list of alternative progress monitoring measures under "Tools." Presumably, you can use any of the measures listed there that provide a sufficient number of alternative passages for doing progress monitoring.

Considerable evidence exists that you can use oral reading of passages to monitor growth in reading proficiency beginning in Grade 1. I think isolated word reading might be acceptable as a progress measure in Grade 1, but I would not use other measures for progress monitoring than oral reading of text or isolated words beginning in Grade 1. For me, the data are clear that oral reading of text can be used beginning in Grade 1 and that isolated word reading is not necessary.

Beginning in Grade 1 and moving beyond, I would recommend using only one of the progress monitoring systems shown on the National Center's Tools Chart. Mixing 2 of the progress monitoring systems will only lead to confusion because it will likely lead to conflicting benchmarks and progress scores inconsistent with the benchmarks. I think it is difficult to use both tools effectively, and I do not recommend it.

dawn.gregg@ucdenver.edu:
What do you see as the biggest challenge facing teachers attempting to implement RTI and how do you think information technology could be used to help mitigate that challenge?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

I think the biggest challenge for teachers in implementing RTI is how to differentiate instruction when the progress monitoring data indicate that an instructional program is working for some students but not for others. Then, differentiating flexibly so that students can move in and out of different programs compounds the difficulty. The problem is most acute in Tier 1, I think, where general classroom teachers are faced with 25 students and being asked to provide alternative instruction of subsets that might not be homogeneous with regard to their instructional needs. Since Tier 2 & 3 interventions seem to be fairly standard implementations for all students in the Tier, differentiation might be less of a problem.

Information technology can help in tracking and grouping students who are succeeding and who are not and by enabling teachers to monitor who is succeeding and who is not. It might be possible to use technology to aid in grouping and regrouping students in a timely fashion. It should certainly help to prevent the possibility that some students will get lost in the shuffle.

In the end, I think we are still going to be confronted with students for whom are standard interventions have not been successful and who will require customized programs provided by individual teachers.

chevella:
The School system is the General Outcome Measurement system and we know it doesn't work for all children, do parents have a right to request another type of monitoring system; or should there be more than one approved monitoring system in place?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we know it doesn't work for all children." A good General Outcome Measurement system is like a bathroom scale. If it is a good scale it works for anyone who stands on it. If your school is using an approach to measuring growth in basic skills like reading that does not show when children are becoming better readers, then you should seek an alternative progress monitoring system for your school.

I recommend that you go to the web site of the National Center on Student Progress Monitoring for help in identifying approved monitoring systems. Keep in mind that the progress monitoring system will not successfully teach the students. Only the teachers will successfully teach the students. The General Outcome Measurement systems should enable you and the teachers to see whether their instruction is successful.

Rosemarie Wold:
What are the best tools for monitoring written expression?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:
The best CBM tools for monitoring growth in written expression for young or struggling learners seem to be those based on repeated, short duration (3-5 minute) samples of students writing in response to a story starter. These samples can be scored in a variety of ways to provide an indexes of whether students are growing in writing skills. I would encourage you to contact the University of Minnesota's Research Institute on Progress Monitoring or the National Center on Student Progress Monitoring (http://www.studentprogress.org/) for more detailed information on the status of progress monitoring tools for written expression.
Doris Wiener:
Will you address the application of CBM progress monitoring at the secondary level?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

CBM progress monitoring is most helpful, I think, with students who have not yet become proficient in basic skills. While considerable work has been, and is being, done to develop progress monitoring procedures for secondary students they are not as extensively developed. I think it is possible to use reading, written expression and math progress measures for struggling students well into high school. I do not think it is appropriate to use those measures for high school students who have fairly well developed basic skills.

I would encourage you to contact the Research Institute on Progress Monitoring at the University of Minnesota for more information on CBM reading and written expression measures for secondary students. Probably the best summary of the status of CBM progress measures for math can be found in the article by Foegen, Jiban, and Deno (2007) "Progress Monitoring Measures in Mathematics" Journal of Special Education Volume 41 (2) Pp 121-139.

Lisa Langell:
Where is the field of CBM currently heading with regard to Benchmarking and/or frequent Progress Monitoring of other skill areas, such as adaptive behavior, functional behavior/skills, etc. for students who are either very young or have significant developmental delays?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

The Research Institute on Progress Monitoring (RIPM) at the University of Minnesota is conducting research to develop progress monitoring procedures for students with significant cognitive disabilities. I encourage you to contact RIPM for a status report on their efforts to develop the CBM approach with that population of students.

In addition, a set of early childhood measures, called Individual Growth and Development Indicators (IGDIs) for screening and progress monitoring of children 3-5 years old has been developed. You can check out those measures at "Get it, Got it, Go" on the web.

Anonymous:
What are the benefits of progress monitoring?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

Traditionally the measurement of academic progress has focused on describing differences in the levels of achievement between students. One reason for this approach in developing standardized achievement tests was the prevailing view that academic success was primarily the result of ability differences among students. The assumption was that the information produced by these tests was useful primarily in classifying students and placing them in different programs on the basis of their ability.

Over the past 30 years, an alternative approach to measuring student achievement has been developed that focuses less on describing differences between students and more on measuring their progress toward important educational outcomes. These progress monitoring procedures have been developed to describe the growth rates of students as they are learning reading, writing, and math. A primary assumption underlying the development of these progress monitoring procedures is that differences in rates of academic skill growth are affected by instructional differences and are not simply the result of ability differences. Another important characteristic of progress monitoring measures is that they can be used as regularly and as frequently as necessary throughout the school year both to identify students at risk for academic problems and to evaluate the impact of changing a program on a student’s rate of academic growth. This potential for repeated measurement is in marked contrast to typical standardized achievement tests that are intended to be given only once or twice during the school year.

My article on "Ongoing Student Assessments" on RTINetwork.org provides additional information. In addition, the National Center on Student Progress Monitoring is probably the best resource for answering this question. The Research Institute on Progress Monitoring  is also a good resource. You can click on the video where I discuss progress monitoring. Also, Curriculum-Based Measurement: From Skeptic to Advocate, by Jan Hasbrouck, Ph.D., and Candyce Ihnot, M.A., describes on teacher's experiences and provides six case examples to illustrate the benefits of CBM.

Vickie Rubin:
What are your thoughts about RTI and preschool?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:
I think the general concept of RTI in preschool is workable. I think the technology available for collecting reliable and valid information for making screening and progress monitoring decisions with young children is not as well developed as with children in Grades 1-6. It is also the case that it is generally more difficult to make predictions about the future development of very young children than of older children. I do believe, however, that it is good to attend carefully and be responsive when there are good indicators revealing that children are not developing well during the preschool years. This is the essence of RTI.
Anonymous:
What is the difference between progress monitoring and curriculum-based measurement?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:
Curriculum-based Measurement (CBM) is a specific approach to progress monitoring that was developed at the University of Minnesota Institute for Research on Learning Disabilities from 1977-1983. Progress monitoring is the more general term for all procedures that are designed to describe growth in individual student academic skills.
Mac Barnett:
Have you ever used RTI to assist with creating an 'appropriate educational program' for the gifted/talented who has shown academic and/or leadership skills beyond the traditional curriculum and would benefit from a more in-depth analysis of their growth? [Assume that differentiated instruction already exists.] Has progress monitoring ever been used for this?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

Some years ago I worked with the special education program in Idaho Falls, ID, to help implement the Curriculum-based Measurement approach to progress monitoring and formative evaluation of student programs.

The person responsible for the gifted and talented program used the procedures with the gifted and talented students and, much to my surprise, found them to be very useful. Having said that, the progress monitoring procedures used in RTI were designed for low achieving rather than high achieving students. RTI is a generalizable approach to building more effective educational programs that could be used with gifted/talented students.

Janet Benson, LCSW:
MH Staff are asked to monitor progress, but we are given no tools to complete the task. Our available behavior assessments take over an hour to administer individually, and over an hour to score, plus, most can be administered only every three years to maintain validity. We need quick tools.
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

I agree with you. Many of the design features we used in developing the Curriculum-based Measurement (CBM) approach to progress monitoring had to do with the need to make them efficient and easy to use regularly. I specified those design features in the 1985 article "Curriculum-based Measurement (CBM): The emerging alternative." We actually began to develop comparable measures for behavior, but never achieved the same types of progress measures that we were able to create for basic academic skills. I would say the types of measures you are having to use do not serve well as progress measures.

I published an article many years ago on a classroom observation system for behavior that has been modified and used by the Minneapolis Public Schools in their Special Education Program (I think they call it the Deno-R). You might contact them if you are interested. The article reference is as follows: A direct observation approach to measuring classroom behavior. Deno, S. L.,(1980) Exceptional Children, 46(5), 396-399.

Aaron R. Deris:
Is there a protocol for progress monitoring? Specifically, is there research that says a student who is at x level should be progress monitored x times per month/week/?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

That's a good question, Aaron. I wouldn't say there is a "protocol" in the sense that you're using the term. There is quite a bit of research on the technical characteristics of the repeated measurement data at different levels and with different schedules. One important conclusion from that research is that the reliability and validity of using typical CBM progress monitoring procedures is quite high and consistent even when students read passages that are lower or higher than the level at which they are receiving instruction. Thus, it is possible to monitor student progress using passages from the student's grade level even when the student is not reading at that grade level.

Further, having student's read from easy passages seems to produce steeper growth rates and might be more sensitive to intervention effects. In general, the choice of level and frequency of monitoring is based on how the data are going to be used; that is, what decisions will be made and when those decisions will be made. When progress is to be evaluated frequently (weekly, for example) and changes in program to be considered, then weekly progress monitoring seems appropriate. If decisions are going to be made quarterly, then giving multiple measures at the beginning and end of the quarters might be sufficient.

Chuck Granger:
I've seen examples of decision rules that can be used in a progress monitoring effort. How important are explicit decision rules? Are there specific rules you recommend?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

More than 20 years ago, Lynn and Doug Fuchs did a literature review on the achievement outcomes of using progress monitoring data. One of the most important conclusions from their review was that achievement increased when teachers used explicit decision rules to modify their instruction. A related conclusion was that no particular set of decision rules seemed to produce better achievement. Since then a spate of studies on using decision rules has been conducted and the general conclusion remains the same: It is important to use a set of rules to assure that we are being responsive to the students rate of progress, but no particular set of rules is supreme.

One important qualification to that statement is that the decision rules used should include raising progress monitoring goals when the data indicate the student can grow at a rate that is faster than first anticipated. Thus, revising including a provision for revising goals upward (not downward) is an important component of any decision rule system. Having an explicit set of decision rules in place helps to overcome the tendency to view the child's rate of growth as a function of the child's characteristic rather than the instruction being provided. Too often, progress monitoring becomes an inert process where we watch a child's growth but to attempt to find powerful changes in instruction that can make a difference.

Tami Sakelaris:
What are your thoughts about using MAZE instead of Reading-CBM for universal screening at the high school level to identify students at-risk in reading? I understand MAZE is intended to supplement R-CBM, but for large populations of students in a high school setting, it cuts time and resource requirements for data collection because of group administration.
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:

A fair amount of research has been done on the reliability and validity of the maze procedure across all grade levels up through 10th Grade. It doesn't need to be used only as a supplement or oral reading. The maze procedure can be used for screening at all grade levels, but it particularly useful in the intermediate grades and above.

We need to keep in mind that the data are being used for screening and that making high stakes decisions involving changing students programs or allocating additional resources requires following up screening with other sources of information, if possible, to assure that the decisions are accurate. This becomes particularly important at the secondary level where basic skills are only part of what is involved in determining a student's academic success.

Alana Engel:
Dr. Deno~
This is all new to me. I am working on my master's degree in special education and have really fallen for the progressive RTI style. As I get deeper into the RTI realm I am concerned about tracking data for 400 elementary students, their progress monitoring, and the formation of routines for identifying students within the Tiers... I know that each individual school develops their own system, but there must be templates to get a start and suggestions for best practices! Any ideas?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:
Administration of progress measures to do universal screening of 400 elementary students is something that can be done fairly efficiently by the classroom teachers. Indeed, the assumption on which progress monitoring is based is that teachers will be involved in administering the progress measures. The logistical question, then, is how often do the measures need to be administered. In general, the frequency of monitoring progress should be related to the degree of difficulty the student is having in learning to read. The more difficulty, the more frequent should be the measurement, and the more often should opportunities to modify programs be created. Students who are making good progress toward achieving year end goals need not be monitored as frequently. Within this framework it should be possible to monitor all 400 students. To aid in the data management and the decision making, web based computer technology is available. You can find those by going to the "tools" on the web site of the National Center for Student Progress Monitoring (www.studentprogress.org). Most of the vendors listed their provide templates and electronic data management systems.
Bette:
How do we as teachers interpret the student CBM data to inform our instruction? Since it is my understanding that CBM's are simply monitoring # of correct words read per minute, how do we know from the information what our struggling students need and what gaps they may have in their reading skills or what instructional strategies will be most effective?
Stanley Deno, Ph.D.:
CBM data are not designed to provide extensive diagnostic information. Somewhat like weighing a child or taking its temperature, CBM data tell us when the child is doing well or not. By implication, they tell us when our instruction seems to be helpful. Some general information can be gleaned from administration of the measures that is helpful. For example, students whose scores are very low are probably in need of a decoding emphasis whereas those that are more advanced in the reading performance might benefit from efforts to develop prosody and comprehension. From the outset, CBM progress monitoring was designed not to be wedded to a particular approach to teaching reading so that many alternative approaches could be tried and evaluated to assure the greatest possible success.

That concludes our LD Talk for today. Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful questions and thanks to our experts, Dr. Stanley Deno for his time today.


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The rate of graduation with a regular diploma for students with learning disabilities (LD) in 2004-2005 was an unacceptably low—57.4 percent—as compared to 87.6 percent in the general student population.

Students with LD, by and large, should be expected to earn a regular high school diploma in the standard number of years, when provided with adequate special education supports and services as well as appropriate accommodations on all assessments, particularly those with implications for earning a diploma.

Join experts Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D. and Matthew Klare, Ph.D. as they answer questions about high school graduation, preventing high school drop out and explore how schools and parents can work together, within the constructs of the federal laws – the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act and the Elementary Secondary Education Act, currently known as No Child Left Behind (NCLB) – to ensure that every child with LD gets the support they need to stay in school and successfully graduate with a regular diploma.



Did You Know:
Findings of the National Longitudinal Transition Study-2 (NLTS2) indicate that students with disabilities have post-school goals that are similar to those of other young adults in society, including:
  • Continuing education and training;
  • Attaining employment;
  • Enhancing social competencies, and
  • Increasing independence.

The majority of secondary students have some kind of post-secondary education or vocational training as a goal. Forty-seven percent of all students with disabilities look forward to attending a two or four year college, and about forty percent have a goal of attending a postsecondary vocational training program.


Virginia Hutchens:
As a special educator, I know I must limit the accommodations of my students to meet the accommodations they could or may receive at college. What would you do when the accommodations and modifications that are given the student are not enough for their academic success?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
Each student is entitled, by law, to the accommodations he or she will require to learn academic content. If a student is not provided with adequate accommodations to help him or her acquire the content, it is an issue that should be taken up with and addressed by that student’s IEP committee. In terms of assessment, accommodations that do not alter the content or otherwise impact the validity of the test are generally permissible. Most states have specific guidelines that address appropriate accommodations or modifications for assessment. They should be available from the school district’s testing coordinator or through the assessment division of the state department of education.  NCLD also offers information on accommodations for instruction and assessment.
Janet G. Smith:
How does a LD student focus on a future goal when the immediate goal is tough? (Regardless-of the subject.)

Dyslexic=4 hours of study to a general student 1 hour of study.
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:
For any at-risk student, we recommend developing a set of organized goals and instruction. Setting achievable, short-term goals as well as long-term goals helps students remain interested and motivated while keeping in mind the longer view. Instruction for these students should be well organized and relevant to the students’ goals. Keeping students engaged in school is key… Take a look at NCLD's article about engaging LD students.  See also Dr. Sandra Christiansen’s presentation about engagement.
Andrea K. Plotkin:
Do you sense that early intervention resulting from early eligibility is impacting higher graduation rates among the LD population?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
My, that’s a loaded question! We try not to rely on what we sense in these matters… Having supporting data is preferable! Nonetheless, large-scale studies indicate that the graduation rates for students with disabilities are improving, though I am not aware of studies that directly link this improvement with early identification. Early identification and intervention are certainly critical in addressing academic and behavioral issues. And NICHD research has shown that 75% of children with learning difficulties who, if not identified and provided help by grade 3, will still have poor reading skills at the end of high school.

Both academics and behavior are significant indicators of dropout risk, so logic would suggest that addressing these beginning at an early age would ultimately improve school completion rates. However, it must be remembered that early identification alone does not necessarily equate to improved services or interventions.
Sue Oberkrom:
What do you recommend for AT RISK LD students?
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:
There are some predictive variables associated with the probability of dropping out, including performance in reading, math, writing, as well as appropriate pro-social behaviors. In addition, we recognize that there is no single fix or magic bullet that will prevent students from dropping out of school. We would recommend an analysis of those individual factors related to academic performance, post-secondary goals, student preferences and interests. In terms of academic performance, our bottom line answer is always the use of interventions and strategies supported by strong evidence. The NCLD website has a lot of good resources for educators and parents.  Additionally, the Center for Instruction has some good resources on effective strategies for teaching reading, math, writing and other academic content. 
Debbie Einhorn:
How do you balance the need for an intensive research based reading program to increase a student's literacy level; with the need for reduced reading level material in the core academic courses?
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:

That is an excellent question. Although many adolescents with learning disabilities who struggle with reading require more specific and intensive instruction from reading specialists, all content-area teachers can incorporate into their content-area instruction strategies that help adolescents comprehend texts used in their classrooms. For example, teachers can employ questioning strategies that help students process text and monitor their comprehension. Teachers can also use question-answer instruction to help students construct answers from explicit and implicit information found in the text. Additionally, teachers may use graphic organizers, text structure and other strategies to help students summarize information and develop critical analysis and reasoning skills. Finally, teachers can use direct, explicit and systematic instruction to teach students to use text comprehension strategies. One systematic approach that schools can use to address this concern is to adopt and implement a continuum of literacy instruction, such as the Content Literacy Continuum (CLC). The CLC is a framework for conceptualizing literacy instruction in secondary schools (Lenz, Ehren, and Deshler, 2005). In essence, the framework offers a comprehensive literacy system to address districts’ needs for a research-based, robust content literacy application. It focuses on reducing the achievement gap and reduces dropout rates for struggling adolescent learners.

For more information, I would refer you to the following resources: 

Enhancing Outcomes for Struggling Adolescent Readers.

The Secondary Literacy Instruction and Intervention Guide: Helping School Districts Transform into systems that Produce Life-Changing Results for All Children developed by the Stupski Foundation on behalf of the National Center for Instruction 

What Content Area Teachers should know about Adolescent Literacy (2007): National Institute on Literacy

Subrina:
How do I help my son get into a general eduction classroom?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
The first step in getting your son into a general education classroom is to request a meeting with his IEP team for the propose of discussing a change in placement to a less restrictive environment in the general education classroom. We recommend you put this request in writing to document it in the event that procedural safeguard proceedings are instituted at a later date.

At the meeting, be prepared to discuss your son’s strengths and needs as well as how he would benefit from increased time in a general education classroom. Particular emphasis should be placed on positioning your child to complete the core course work necessary to receive a regular-education diploma.
Linda Martinez:
How do I know if my child is getting a regular high school diploma?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
Graduation requirements vary from state to state, as do the diploma/school-completion options offered to students. Your child’s course of study and diploma options should be discussed with his IEP team. If you have not had these discussions, you should do so immediately.

Even if your child is in a program leading to a regular diploma, it is critical to ensure that he or she is actually on track to graduate… Ensure that the student has the appropriate number of academic credits for his or her current grade in school. For example, if a child is in a pathway leading to a regular diploma, but has only 8 or 9 credits by the end of his junior year, the likelihood that he will actually get that diploma—at least on time—is pretty slim. As a parent, you can monitor your child’s academic progress and help ensure that the appropriate strategies and supports are in place to help your child succeed in school.
Susan Baker:
If a student is LD, how come IEP teams want to exit the child? Is this a factor in the drop in graduation rates? It seems these students are being left behind. Thanks.
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:
First, let’s give some context about the factors leading to dropout. There are two classes of factors that contribute to students dropping out of school: “pull factors” and “push factors.” As the names suggest, pull factors are external to the school environment. They are factors that make being out of school more attractive or more imperative than being in school. Having to work to support a family, having to care for a family member who is ill or infirmed, and the lure of “easy money” from the illegal drug trade are a few examples of pull factors. Push factors, on the other hand, originate within the school and “encourage” students to drop out. Examples of push factors are behavioral or academic problems that make it difficult for a student to succeed in school, hostile school/district policies or procedures, a poor school climate, and teachers or administrators who either make it unpleasant for the student to stay in school or encourage the student to leave.

Because some special education students do not achieve at the same rate as their disabled peers, they can cause a school not to make AYP. To potentially answer your question, while it is neither legal nor desirable, some districts, in their desire to meet AYP, want to get low-achieving special education students out of the way and out of their calculations.
Barbara Roberts:
New and more challenging HS graduation requirements in the state of Michigan together with recent decisions by NCLB regarding Highly Qualified Teacher status of special education teachers has hit us very hard.

It appears that special education/general education team-teaching will be the *only* option for LD students who want to earn a diploma. Students with a severe disability in Math, for example, must, like ALL students, take and pass the standards and benchmarks of the ALG I, ALG II and Geometry Curricula in order to be eligible for a diploma (assuming all other requirements are met).

How can we hope to raise the graduation rate when incoming freshman have the bar raised higher than ever, and the special education instruction (at their level of functioning), has been removed as an option for earning high school credit? We are all (students and teachers) being asked to do more, with less. Students, parents, teachers (general and special) are all feeling overwhelmed. In this environment, how can we hope to raise the graduation rate?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
Raising the bar by increasing academic requirements for graduation is not uncommon in states and school districts across the country. When this happens, it must be remembered that students—particularly students with disabilities—will need additional scaffolding to help them meet these new requirements. Making graduation requirements more stringent in absence of these additional supports is not the answer to improving individual academic success or education in general. It merely penalizes students—particularly students with disabilities.

Here’s one potential option that districts may consider if their credit-accrual requirements for graduation exceed those of the state. If a student with disabilities meets the state’s credit requirements for graduation with a regular diploma, it would seem reasonable that the child should be eligible to receive a regular diploma. If the child surpassed the state requirements and met the district’s more stringent requirements, he or she could be awarded a regular diploma with distinction to recognize his or her achievement above state requirements.
Sara Brookshire:
What is your advice for an 8th grader with dysgraphia entering high school? He had a 504 plan, but his Student Support Team dismissed him from the plan during a meeting that I was not able to attend. My son has great aspirations for his future and I want to do all I can to ensure his success.
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
We applaud your desire to ensure your son’s success! I encourage you to revisit the issue with the school Student Support Team to get his 504 plan reinstated, particularly in that you were not present during the meeting in which the plan was terminated. See NCLD's resources on 504 plans.
G. DiMango:
This is more of an observation than a question. I have a child who is a senior graduating this June. An educational consultant gave us very good advice and that was to iset an "end game plan" when you walk through the door as a freshman -- start thinking about post-high school plans just about the time you start high school. This enabled my daughter to "bracket in" the high school experience and keep in her mind that high school was just the next step and that her education would continue. Also important is to find an activity (choir, drama, sports, musical instrument) that the student REALLY enjoys. Academically, there are so many bumps that having something enjoyable that they excel in makes the high school experience endurable and therefore possibly preventing the "I give up" feeling. I am curious to know if you would agree with this approach?
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:
You got some good advice from the educational consultant. Early planning is always a good idea, as is the setting of intermediate and long-term goals. Research identifies that participation in extracurricular activities increases a student’s sense of belonging at school, thus increasing the likelihood that he or she will continue participating in school through graduation. We would encourage the audience to look at the presentation Dr. Sandra Christiensen’s delivered as a webinar for NDPC-SD in January 2008. That presentation is posted on our Web site.
CHERYL TUCKER:
IEP'x change and adjust as my 16 year old becomes older. He is a visual learner and told me that he hopes to pursue auto engineering in college. I notice that his math and english teachers may adjust class material 1 to 2 times lower to meet his comprehension issues. Will this keep him from graduating from High School on time in 2 years?
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:

This is a question you need to address with your son’s IEP team. Request the IEP team to have your son’s general education teachers incorporate these strategies for you son. Work collaboratively with other professionals to provide your son with additional help. The use of audio taping, guided notes and peer support may help him complete assignments and take tests. Technology and peer assisted learning instruction could might also be helpful.

Finally, refer to the following resources that help students get ready for reading, activate understanding during reading and summarize and reflect on the information in texts.

 Deshler, D., Hock, M., & Catts, H. (2006). Enhancing Outcomes for Struggling Adolescent Readers.

The Secondary Literacy Instruction and Intervention Guide: Helping School Districts Transform into systems that Produce Life-Changing Results for All Children developed by the Stupski Foundation on behalf of the National Center for Instruction

What Content Area Teachers should know about Adolescent Literacy (2007): National Institute on Literacy

Michael Morgan:
Why have we decided that it is so wrong to allow a student to be in high school for five years? We increase the standards significantly; we want every student to have a high level of competency so they can be successful in whatever they do after high school. What percentage of college students finishes their bachelor degree in four years? It takes some people longer to finish the same quality of task, accommodating for their ability.
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
Congress, in its implementation of NCLB as related to graduation requirements, imposed a period of four years as the standard length of a high-school education. The adoption of this four-year period is in keeping with tradition in this country. In reality, however, many students—with or without disabilities—require a fifth year to complete their studies. This is becoming increasingly the case as states and districts raise their graduation requirements. Four years is not a magic number… It is our belief that neither students nor schools/districts should be penalized for students taking a fifth year of high school.

Our experience in schools has shown that some students become discouraged when they realize they will not be able to complete the required number of credits and pass required standardized test within the four-year period. Many of them become disengaged and opt for dropping out.
John & Laveda Doxey:
How can we get more traditional schools to use technology and online virtual curriculums to expand the multiple instructional strategies LD students need?
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:

While many advances have been made in the use of technology within our schools, many schools are far from truly leveraging the potential of technology as an instructional tool. As such, the integration of digital tools into instruction is often sporadic. The good news is that there are several national efforts working to enhance capacity for the use of technology.  For example, U.S. Department of Education, Office of Special Education Programs (OSEP) has funded three major technical assistance centers with emphasis on strengthening technology as an efficient instructional tool. Additional resources and information are:

NIMAS -- Which provides planning evaluation, and technical assistance to improve the delivery of accessible materials to students and teachers as well as to disseminate information and resources about the benefits and availability of accessible digital materials.

CAST -- Teaching Every Student (TES) is a rich multimedia resource for teachers where they can learn about Universal Design for Learning (UDL). UDL is a framework for creating flexible goals, methods, materials, and assessments that meet the needs of diverse learners. Using TES, teachers get practical guidance in how to apply UDL in the classroom as well as a rich understanding of its theoretical and research basis.

CITEd  -- Provides practical and convenient resources for using technology in everyday tasks.

Lizbeth L. Duncan:
What can a teacher do, say, or teach while working with 5th and 6th grade students to encourage them as they get older? We don't teach study skills per se, and we don't have a curriculum anymore that deals with social skill building.
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
Work on helping them see the relevance of school for the long term. Also, make sure that they have the academic skills they will need in high school—without a basic academic foundation, they will struggle with high school content, perhaps becoming disengaged and ultimately dropping out. While your school may not have a study skills curriculum per se, many of the study skills can be embedded within the context of your every-day instruction. With regards to teaching appropriate social behaviors, your school may want to consider implementing school-wide Positive Behavior Supports. PBS helps youth learn the appropriate pro-social behaviors. If your school is not using Positive Behavior Support (PBS), it may be something to consider.
Sue Oberkrom:
Is there such a thing as an intervention team for LD students to help them meet graduation requirements, or is his/her success only on the casemanager and teachers?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
Different school districts employ different methods for helping students meet graduation requirements. Some of these methods include case management, counseling and/or the employment of graduation coaches; however, for a youth with an IEP, his or her academic and other related services needs should always be guided by his or her IEP team. The IEP team, which includes the parent and the student, should serve to plan and deliver the appropriate programs, interventions and services required to assist the student in meeting graduation requirements. These should include reviewing present levels of performance; determining strengths, needs and program gaps; and identifying and arranging the delivery of specially designed instruction that will address those specific academic needs. An IEP team serving in this capacity meets the tenet and requirement of the law in planning for necessary accommodations and modifications so that the youth can progress in the general education curriculum. With input from the parents and preferably the student, this group should be responsible for determining an appropriate program of study as well as identifying supports that will help the student successfully complete school and acquire the tools he or she will need to succeed afterward.
Maria Scolaro:
My son attends a special education 8th grade class. All through his school career his classes have been taught at a much slower pace than general education classes. There seems to be a "push" to make the special education students "test exempt" or "alternative assesment" classified at his school. The idea is to put "less stress" on the child which can result in not having been exposed to much of the material on their grade level and on the grade level stanardized tests. Although this may sound like somewhat of a solution for testing, this route also winds up with the child receiving a "certificate of completion" and not a diploma at graduation. This certificate is the equivalent of a high school drop out since it is not accepted by colleges, vocational schools or even employers. I think there MUST be something done about what is really a discriminatory policy. Is there anything being discussed about this?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
There is a lot of discussion ongoing in the research and education communities about this issue. Research indicates that many students with disabilities, given appropriate supports and instruction, can acquire high school content and pass end-of-course and exit exams. Determining the appropriate pace and structure of instruction will be an individual call. The IEP team should be intimately involved in this process for each child. Every child who is identified eligible for special education in this country is entitled to a free and appropriate public education that will enable him or her to engage in post-secondary education, employment or independent living. If you believe that your child is not receiving the appropriate supports, you should discuss the issue with his IEP team. Further, if you believe that the district is engaging in discriminatory practices, you have the option to exercise your dispute resolution options under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).  Under a 504 Plan, you would contact the Office of Civil Rights.
Frances Tinker, MD:
There are students who have severe enough learning difficulties that HS graduation may be impossible. What should we do at age 14-16 to ensure they have access to occupational and lifeskills training? What other issues need to be addressed?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
The parents, student and IEP team need to develop an appropriate transition plan that will allow that student to acquire the skills and knowledge that he or she will need to succeed in life after high school. This plan should include preparation for employment and independent living as well as academic instruction. Other issues include interagency agreements, community supports and programs, and interface with rehabilitation services. NCLD has information on transition planning.
Joan Parrish:
Often LD students are using computer based curriculum to assist them with high school credit retrieval for credits they were unable to earn in the regular classroom. What do you know about these programs?
Loujeania Williams Bost, Ph.D.:
While we are not in a position to assess quality of online credit recovery programs, many schools are beginning to use these programs as an alternative for many students. It is currently unknown the extent to which students with LD are participating in these programs or the outcomes achieved.
Ted Wesley:
Where can I find good information about keeping students with disabilities in school?
Matthew Klare, Ph.D.:
A good starting point would be our website at the National Dropout Prevention Center for Students with Disabilities. NDPC-SD provides technical assistance to help states build capacity to design/select and implement effective, evidence-based interventions and programs to address dropout among students with disabilities. Our site has resources for state departments of education and schools/districts as well as for parents and students. The site has information about a variety of programs and interventions as well as summaries of research about school completion for youth with disabilities. You might want to subscribe to our quarterly newsletter, Big IDEAs. Another site with information about school completion for students with disabilities is the National Transition and Technical Assistance Center’s (NSTTAC) website. This center is focused on helping states build capacity in the area of secondary transition. It contains a wealth of information about transition-related issues for students with disabilities.

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Helping Your Child with LD Find Success: How to Stay Energized and Engaged http://ncldtalks.org/content/interview/detail/765/ We are pleased to welcome Nancy and Danielle Graves for our first NCLD ParentTalk.  

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As a parent managing a child with a learning disability you may feel you are traveling an unfamiliar route on your way to an uncertain destination. How do you garner the personal resources to sustain you and your child for the short and the long run? 

Nancy and Danielle Graves have been working together to manage life with a learning disability for eighteen years.  Having arrived at their destination, her college graduation, they decided to write a book about their successful journey.

Nancy E. Graves and Danielle E. Graves are authors of Surviving Learning Disabilities Successfully: Sixteen Rules for Managing a Child’s Learning Disabilities.

Visit their Web site SurvivingLearningDisabilities.com

Read "Rule #11: Celebrate every Victory," from Surviving Learning Disabilities Successfully: Sixteen Rules for Managing a Child’s Learning Disabilities now and be sure to visit NCLD's Parent Center in the weeks prior to the chat to read other excerpted 'rules' from this book.  


In their own words:

We did not know what the trip would be like, we didn’t have a roadmap and we had only a vague idea of our destination. But looking back we identified some valuable lessons that may help to support the journey for others.

In our book, Surviving Learning Disabilities Successfully, instead of chapters we have sixteen rules which we found to be keys to our successful journey. We identified two significant keys for successfully managing the many challenges of learning disabilities--staying engaged in the process and energized for the daily struggles.

Being engaged and energized for the marathon we face can be a tall order. It would help if we could see far enough down the road to know what we are working for and how it will all turn out. It would be easier to rally repeatedly if we knew how much will be required and for how long. But, the truth is we don’t know what the future holds. We have to get through today. As author Soren Kierkegaard wrote, "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards."

We invite you to ‘look forward’ with us during our live chat. We will talk about how to help your child find success by remaining energized and engaged. We hope you will join us. It promises to be a wonderful hour.


dawn:
Hi, I have a 10 year old gifted son with dyslexia and ADHD. He is well liked and good in certain areas, but cannot organize or plan any work or activities. His room is a bomb and he is clueless as to how to pick up after himself as well. He loses most things eventually. These executive life function skills are his main problem. What is the future for him? Can this be improved?
Nancy E. Graves:
Two parent stories to share. First, a dad described a constant battle with his daughter, age 12, because her room was a complete disaster, she forgot to take what she needed to and from school (homework, shoes for practice, lunch etc) and lost many things. This was made even worse because he is an extremely neat and organized person and simply can’t understand her. After escalating frustration threatened to shut down communication he began to talk with her about these issues. It took many months but they came to a new starting place. She explained that her room, while appearing to be an explosion of stuff, was the one place where she could actually find things. She said in her mind it was fine and asked that he leave her room alone. “Think of my floor as a closet.” They agreed. Next, natural consequences were agreed upon. When she forgot homework, lunch, band instrument or sports clothes he would be no longer race home from work on a frantic search and then deliver the item(s) to school. Rough stuff. After several weeks of tears (hers) and frustration (theirs) they began to develop solutions such as notes for the doors to her room, the garage, the car and for her backpack. No music, no text messaging and the car stayed parked in the driveway until she agreed she had everything she needed. The focus was on absolute necessities which meant dad had to let a lot of his items go. Start with a short list and begin to impose natural consequences.

Second, a mom saw her 12 year old son entering middle school with the opportunity (and consequences) for forgotten and lost items heightened. She describes two years of very frustrating times, but recently has declared success. How did they do it? She says she made the case for the benefits of taking responsibility for his ‘stuff.’ She also made him begin to advocate for himself. If he needed something such as copies of class notes, he would have to make a plan to go the teacher and ask for them. When he brought them home, used them with her to prepare for a test, and achieved a great result he began to see the logical thread leading from his behavior to a feel good outcome. She had to identify every need, coach him on the required behavior and follow-up, which was extremely frustrating for a long time. But, she credits her son for recognizing how much better he feels having gained more control and alleviated the constant battles. He is experiencing tangible benefits from his changed behavior. Focus on the specific behavior, let him experience the natural consequences and benefits, and believe it will improve. You and your son can craft solutions that work for him and when they do, celebrate each success. Doing so at his age will begin to prepare him for middle school, high school and beyond where these life skills are essential. When we are in the midst of these frustrating challenges it is very difficult to see any light at the end of the tunnel. Fortunately, experience shows, kids (like all of us) can learn how to accommodate for their weaknesses.

Danielle:
A planner is the single most important organizational tool I ever had. The parent’s organization provided planners to every student beginning in middle school. I committed to using it and it was key to my success. Sometimes being disorganized can feed on itself and make you feel defeated before you start. The process of writing the information, checking it throughout the day and at night before I went to bed gave me control and confidence. Give it a try!
Michelle Lustig:
I have been advised that my child should be reevaluated in her senior year to have accommodations in college. The school district did not pay for the first evaluation but did give us a lot of grief when we requested one done. Should we be able to have the school district pay for her second evaluation? Also when the school says that she can use technology as an accommodation for her LD are we to expect that they will provide that?
Nancy E. Graves:
If your daughter has been evaluated in the last couple of years, a new evaluation may not be necessary. It would be very beneficial to ask for a comprehensive transition plan from the school district. This meeting, which hopefully your daughter will attend, should also include the high school college counselor. This meeting will articulate a specific plan of exactly what your daughter will need in terms of accommodations. It should also provide insights into her strengths which are very important as she transitions into college.

Accommodations in college are not managed in the same way as grades 1-12. You should seek a college which will provide a culture of understanding and commitment to the environment your daughter will need to be successful. If she needs technology, dependent on what it is exactly, you may find solutions in computer software or online college support. Specific needs should be addressed to the college when you visit. Plan to meet personally with the disability support services. You and your daughter will get a good sense of what is available and the receptivity to make accommodations. Finding the right college environment is very much about each individual. Being able to identify what your daughter needs through her transition plan and your experiences with the school district (what worked and didn’t work) should provide you with a vision of where she will thrive academically.

For us,college was a fresh start and we tried to leave the baggage of twelve years behind. There were new educational challenges (and some same old ones) in college. But there was also so much personal freedom in terms of being in a new place, with new people that it gave both of us renewed energy that carried us through even the most frustrating times. We wish that for you.
Lorraine Devin:
My son is in 5th grade. He has struggled through elementary school. He receives Orton-Gillingham 3 times a week in public school. We have worked together to get him as organized as possible. What advice can you give us for the Jr.High and high school years ahead to prepare for college? I can barely keep him motivated now and he's only in 5th grade. HELP!
Nancy E. Graves:
We hear this a lot! It is difficult to like something that is so hard to do. When learning is difficult, frustrating and a source of constant anxiety it is understandable why a child wants to avoid it. You are focusing on the right skills because being organized as he enters middle and high school is essential. Moving between several classes a day and having more teachers is very difficult. Middle school years were the worst for us. The combination of transition from elementary and the developmental age is very tough before you add the LD challenges. Some suggestions we have: Ask for a meeting with his fifth grade team and the middle school team. This will open communication about what he needs and it will give you visibility demonstrating the active role you intend to take. Get a planner and begin using it now. The planner will include his daily homework, test and future assignments. There should be organizational goals in his IEP which will require his homework to be checked each day before he comes home. In addition, assignments and tests need to be on his calendar to avoid too many things being due at the same time. Once the calendar is done for the current school session you can ask for a meeting with the team to even out the schedule. Involve your son in the organizational plan. What success can he think of that is an example of being organized? What made it work? Was it because it was something he wanted to do? Was it accomplished because he wanted to earn a special privilege? Finding solutions within his personal operating style is the best way to leverage his skills. Celebrate every victory! Break the organizational skills into small parts and recognize him when he is successful. Give it time. As frustrating as this can be for us as parents it simply pales in comparison to the turmoil inside our children. Give him and your family time to learn and master organizational skills. It will take years, but it happens.

Danielle:
I have to admit that I have forgotten (thankfully) or wasn’t aware (thankfully again) of a lot of the frustrations and anguish of middle school. But, what I haven’t forgotten is my mom telling me that we would get through the worst teachers and the toughest times. I liked that sometimes she was even madder than I was. I liked that she allowed me to be frustrated, angry and tired of the struggle. Being different is the last thing we want, particularly in middle school and high school. It is tough to hang on to your self. But, ultimately that is the most important thing. Feeling good about who you are as a person will allow you to beat any challenge…..and our challenges are huge. Finding something your son loves to do can allow him to build success and is clear proof to him and to you that he can be organized and build a plan for higher and higher achievement. If you son loves a sport, activity (musical instrument, art, bike riding, snow boarding) or animals leverage this. Having something you love to do is a haven from school and a source of great satisfaction. I love horses………maybe your son will love drums…………whatever he loves nurture it.
Cyndi:
The constant stress and frustration can take a toll. What did you find helpful to combat depression and burn out?
Nancy E. Graves:
You are so right, it is very, very tough and in many ways is a very personal, private struggle. Right off the top of my head: Find time for yourself. Put time in your calendar, just like you do for any other appointment, to do something you enjoy. Take a yoga or Pilates class. Walk with friends. Join a book club. Go to a movie. I hear all of the reasons that won’t work. Let me say from experience that all of the problems and challenges you are dealing with will still be there after you take an hour a day for yourself. End the madness: Set a time, I know it can’t be in stone, where the day (night) ends regarding all things LD.  It can consume your life and there is no time for you, your child and your family to re-energize for tomorrow. Believe No One: That is our way of saying BELIEVE in your experiences and in the power of your love for your child. You can do this. Block out the negatives. We have heard it all……never happen, can’t happen, won’t happen. This is your child, your life and you can do this!

Danielle:
Every now and then we used to get in the car on a Saturday morning and drive away. No plan and no stress. We would drive until we found a little town we liked. We’d wander around antique and flea markets. Then we’d find a bed and breakfast with no TV and no phone. It was an adventure and one my sister and I sometimes complained about. What about our friends? We would surely miss something important. But that all ended when we left our zip code. Do something fun. Go to a ball game. Love the team. Fight over where to eat or what movie to see. Leave school and work behind. Laugh, cry and fall asleep in the car on the way home.
Cyndi:
When you meet with the case conference committee and don't feel that they are supportive in finding solutions for your child, how do you deal? First with your anger and frustration, second with the school personnel?
Nancy E. Graves:
There is so much involved with these conferences. They are constructed to meet the school's responsibilities under the law. We are representing our child. It is destined to be an enormous struggle especially for parents. We have to come up a steep learning curve about the IEP process. The IEP is complex and all important. Personally I believe there are situations where a parent alone simply can't effectively address this complex process especially when there are concerns that the child is not getting their educational needs met.

I would suggest following an unsatisfactory meeting that you write a detailed list of what you think needs to be addressed. Then ask for another meeting and distribute the list. If IEP modifications are needed ask for recommendations from the conference participants. If the conference participants do not support modifications, explain what is not working. Ask for a reasonable timeframe for improvement and a follow-up meeting to validate (or not). Do what you can to build a bridge because you are all in this together.

Many districts now have advocacy resources to support the child and parents in the IEP meetings and case conferences. Take advantage of this resource. If it is not available where you live, consider hiring a learning consultant to support you and the process. I do understand the various sides of this highly charged situation. I feel empathy for the difficult role of teachers and administrators. But ultimately we are fighting for our child's education and emotional well being. Allow yourself to be frustrated and angry. Make a revised plan. Get additional resources. Then get back in the ring.
Rose:
I have a 16 year old son that has been diagnosed with a form of ADHD and he has the reading level of a 1st or 2nd grader.  He wants to go to a Technical School when he graduates but if he can't read the material what can he do?  Do they help in this area?
Nancy E. Graves:
Your son has the number one most important thing he needs to succeed....the desire. There are many resources available to support his goal. NCLD has a terrific section devoted to Living with LD which details adult resources. There are links to sites which provide technology for learning. Alternative solutions can be developed to allow him to learn the technical skills through his learning strengths. There are organizations that offer structured programs to support young adults who want to pursue job skills.

Learning disabilities don't go away. Sometimes as adults they do prevent people from achieving certain goals. For example, reading ability or standardized testing challenges may be barriers to certain career choices. Fortunately, there are resources available to support your son to pursue a technical career.

There are companies and people who embrace differences. Your son's desire to achieve his goals will make him a great addition wherever he goes.
GRACE DANA:
What do you think about neuropsych testing? My daughter is 17-- I have found the testing detrimental to her goals. Every tester has a different diagnosis. DO COLLEGES REQUIRE THE TESTING- I HOPE NOT.
Nancy E. Graves:
My thought….Trust your gut! I do not have personal experience with neuropsych testing, but if you find the testing is detrimental to your daughter's goals and inconsistent then you should use your best judgment.

Colleges offer various learning environments. Research them, visit and then choose the best fit for your daughter. There are many colleges available with true commitment to students with disabilities. Once there, it is up to her whether to self identify and to advocate for herself. You and your daughter should decide what resources she may need.

If you have a trusted professional who has been working with your daughter you may want to include them in the college selection and transition process.
Joe:
My daughter's third grade teacher is very nice but she seems pretty inexperienced with LD and the IEP. How do I get the resources my daughter needs without alienating this well-meaning teacher?
Nancy E. Graves:
Even though the teacher is inexperienced, she is well-meaning and will most likely welcome the opportunity to collaborate with you. Ask for a meeting to go over the IEP. Ask what resources she has to assist in the classroom. Let her know that you want to be involved and informed. Be available for field trips and be a room parent. Building a relationship with your child’s teacher is a win-win!
Bill:
Our high school son is supposed to be seated in the front of the class and receive copies of all class notes. His chemistry teacher makes it clear he thinks our son just needs to 'try harder.' We disagree on how or if we should intervene.
Nancy E. Graves:
Talk with your son, share your concerns and determine if his performance is being negatively impacted. If it is then ask for a meeting with all IEP participants. Sooner is better than later. Give the resource representative a heads-up that you want a meeting to review classroom accommodations. Hopefully in that group setting the chemistry teacher will hear and understand the importance of these accommodations for your son.
Kenneth:
It seems no matter how prepared we are for the IEP meeting my wife and I get derailed by questions and reports from the teachers or resource people at the meeting. Usually this is information we were unaware of in advance. How do we prevent losing focus and/or becoming defensive and frustrated? The hour goes by so quickly and we leave with many of our concerns not being addressed.
Nancy E. Graves:
A few suggestions: First, ask for advance copies of relevant information that the IEP chairperson has gathered for the IEP meeting. Explain that you feel this will allow you to be more informed prior to the meeting. Second, ask that teachers keep you advised through weekly progress reports. This will cut down on some surprises during the meeting. Third, make a list of what you want to accomplish in the meeting. As the meeting approaches the half way point let the members know that you are going to need adequate time to share your thoughts and hear their feedback. If that doesn't happen let them know that the IEP meeting will need to be reconvened.

At that meeting you would like to be first on the agenda. My experience has been that there is so much to cover in these meetings and it is so difficult to get everyone there that once the meeting begins there is simply not enough time. Often an issue arises, as you point out, and focus is lost. Don't hesitate to ask for another IEP meeting and be clear that you are not signing off on the plan until you are comfortable with it.
Mike:
Sometimes I grow so frustrated and exhausted by the school administrators and special ed that I don't know if I will ever be able to insure my two children (both LD and one also ADHD) get the education they need. Does it get better?
Nancy E. Graves:
No doubt most parents share your frustration and fatigue. Yes, there are successes and there are times when it is easier. But, the reality for most parents and our kids is that it is a constant battle. Another reality is that your willingness to do battle and to find the strength to meet each day with hope is what will bring the very best outcome for your children.

The spirit of a child is about hope. They believe in us. By taking good care of yourself, taking one day at a time, letting the negatives go (as best you can), and staying the course your children will thrive. When I felt overwhelmed I let myself be upset and then be done with it. I wanted to let Danielle know that in spite of how rough it could be we would survive and still be us. Often times it isn’t fair and it isn’t right, but it is our reality. Letting stuff go is the only way I know to find the energy to battle on.
Amy:
My daughter doesn't want to go to her language class because her friends say there is something wrong with her. She seems to be shutting down and losing interest in school. She is only nine. What can I do to help.
Nancy E. Graves:
A very difficult and painful situation. Do not hesitate to make the school aware of your concerns. I would suggest you talk with the counselor about what is going on. The counselor in our elementary school used to do a great group called the Lunch Bunch. She included a diverse group and they would bring their lunches and eat in her office. She was able to create discussion and open minds through role playing. She also developed a buddy system where kids were put together in teams. Sometimes it was to welcome a new kid but often she was working to build understanding of individual differences.

I believe that self-esteem is something we must nurture and protect at all costs. Get to know her friends. Volunteer at school to see the interactions. Being a room parent is a very enlightening experience. Keep the communication channels open.
Cyndi:
How do you find out what resources are available to help a child, other than the school employees? I have found in retrospect that services and aides were available to help with some difficulties, but not offered.